SciFi has done a remarkably nice job with SG-verse, considering the quality of most things make for the channel.

And SPN was just seeming to catch on. The CW has some advertising issues - I watch the commercials (both during and for the show), and realize that they have no idea who the hell is watching this show. They seem to think they are selling it to young men, "Buffy for Boys", but it seems to be mostly grabbing women 16-40 who like the gore and violence, but stay for the "family drama" without all the typical "family drama" trappings...